1658 East 38 St is an attached home between Quentin and Avenue P is currently on the market but currently in contract.
To date, their activities have included: getting a letter from Marty Golden to the NYC Dept of Health discouraging day care licensing; getting signatures for our petition from all residents on the block. They have been in contact with Lew Fidlers office and are awaiting a response.
At this point, the 80 year old woman in the attached house is ill with high blood pressure over all this.
Here is a copy of a petition that they are circulating:
The modest frame attached home at 1658 East 38 Street (between Quentin Road and Avenue P) is currently “in contract” and the soon-to-be new owners want to open a day care center. This will NEGATIVELY impact the quality of life of residents of East 38 Street and surrounding blocks. The center will bring noisy/rowdy children and mounds of trash. Parents will double and triple-park their cars during morning drop-offs and afternoon pick-ups, parking will become even more limited, and traffic will increase. Do we want our children playing on the sidewalk with speeding cars whizzing by? NO!!!
And the presence of a commercial business on a residential block will LOWER YOUR PROPERTY VALUES!
We, the residents of Marine Park, must take action immediately to prevent this day care center from opening and protect our block! All Marine Park residents must lend their support because if this center opens on East 38 Street, another one can open on your block!
Local elected officials and the Marine Park Civic Association have successfully stopped other day care centers from opening on Marine Park’s residential blocks. We can stop this day care center too!
There are several other day care facilities nearby so we don’t need one on East 38 Street!
Sign this petition to voice your opposition to this day care center and to tell our elected officials (City Councilman Lew Fidler, State Senator Marty Golden, State Assemblyman Alan Maisel, State Senator Carl Kruger, and Congressman Anthony Weiner) to stop this from happening!
These day care operations are popping up in numerous single family houses in Old Mill Basin. I think the city should pass a law banning them in any house zoned as residential. There are plenty of available commercial locations that people could use if they wish to open a day care center. I wouldn’t want to live near one of these locations and I can see the problem with selling a house near one of these places.
I think you people should get over yourselves. With many area families having two working parents, day care is a necessity. I happen to know that the potential owners of this home also have a house on East 33rd with a center. Ask any of the neighbors over there. There are no quality of life issues. Noisy, rowdy children and tons of trash??? I don’t think so. What if a family with six children were buying this house? Then there would be noise, toys, yelling, bicycles and balls, 24-7, oh, and trash!! Bet this would give the 80 year old lady next door high blood pressure! Should we now put a ban on large families in Marine Park?? Before neighbors talk about this particular day care establishment, they should really do their homework and know what they are talking about!
Who said anything about a ban on large families?
Day care is most certainly a necessity but so are many other services that I wouldn’t want next door to me on a residential block. There are commercial districts for a reason and this is one of them. They have wider streets and sidewalks and usually do not have children playing there.
I don’t know if you’re familar with the type of houses on this block. They are small frame “realty” houses not intended to house large families and it is doubtful that a family of six would ever be interested in one. Were they to buy one, however, all six children would probably not be home all day long and would eventually grow up- not so with the population of a day care.
I bought my home, as did many of my neighbors, on a non-commercial block for a reason. I paid more for it than a similar house on a main street for a reason. Now, the premium I paid to live on a quiet residential street is lost. This is not a mom who helps out a couple of moms who work, for whom the law is intended. This is a BUSINESS and belongs on street suited to one.
Yes it is a business. But it is a small quiet run business. Not a head start program or city voucher program. These are moms and dads from our own neighborhood who need some help while they work. The other center they now own right now is doors away from the Assistant Chief of Police. Rest assured if there were any quality of life issues, they would be reported. Call over to the 63rd and check it out. These are neighborhood people providing a service for other neighborhood residents. This is not going to be a major operation that will disturb the whole block. I understand residential block with concerns of big business and traffic on the block. But the owners of this business are neighborhood people, who will hire women from the neighborhood to work. It is about supply and demand for our own residents.
And if there were a demand for a nail salon or a an auto body shop, that should be allowed as well? As soon as children are mentioned, we’re all supposed to drop our objections “for the sake of the children.” Well, these children would be just as well served in another location and our children should count for something too.
As far as quality of life issues at the other location, perhaps I will walk the entire street street and ask all of the residents about their experiences. It seems to me I’ve been stuck behind a few double parkers myself on that block. I’m sure I’m not the only one.
That’s the issue. Should a business be allowed to operate on a one way residential block? How many kids will be attending the daycare? What are the hours? Will there be a sign in the front of the house?
There’s a lovely new day care center on quentin road. There’s tons of quality places nearby so it’s not like this day care center is offering a service that is scarce. I’m also sure there are many experienced unemployed moms and nannas who would watch 1 or 2 of your children for the same price if you are really interested in your neighbors and our community.
If this is the day care that I’m thinking of, it wouldn’t be a problem. My son currently goes there and it’s not like it’s a lot of kids. The class size is small. So I don’t see how terrible it is supposed to be.
Do you walk to pick up your child? Do you ever block someone’s driveway for “just a minute” while you pick up? Do other parents double park while they drop off blocking the four school buses we already have on the block every morning, making everyone else late? Do you want this on YOUR block?
I personally walk my child there because I only live a few blocks away. I don’t have a daycare on my block, but I do have several school busses that stop on my block to pick up kids. It’s certainly not something I would complain about. And at my son’s school, there is a small bus that drops off one child and it isn’t there for more than a minute. This isn’t like a regular school, it is a very small group of children. Probably about 10 at a time.
Group family day care has limits on how many children can attend. Who ever wrote the petition letter is trying to scare the neighbors with a lot of lies. Should we close all schools in the area because they might have rowdy children and they have “trash”? It’s not a 24-hour 7-day a week operation. Here is a case of someone trying to provide a service to the community who lives in the community. Did the person who wrote the petition check out the other location and talk to the neighbors on the block before they determined the decline in quality of life was imminent? It does not appear that way.
The price of the house will surely fall if the next door looks and sounds like a romper room. How about the 80 year lady whose house is attached on this proposed day care? Shall we just tell her that she better gets used to the sound of laughing and crying kids! There used to be a family day care center on the corner of East 37th and Quentin Road which is just around the corner of the proposed day care, also on an attached house. The neighbors had major issues, traffic problem, parents blocking driveways, and yes, trash problem. The neighbors just keep complaining until they finally shut down. Not every block has a luxury of having an Assistant Chief of Police living on the block which could surely help in controlling the area if there issues.
No one needs to control East 33rd Street location because there are no problems!!
Instead of shooting your mouth off, just walk down the street and see for yourself!!!
I Just don’t get the scare tactics mentioned in the petition. That’s probably why the poor woman has high blood pressure. I can understand if the day care were open and you were having all these issues that you would fight to have it closed. The city allows them to be open since there is a need for them. The city inspects them to make sure they are properly run. If there were such issues with them the city would not allow them on residential blocks. If a family full of teenagers were moving on the block would you all get up in arms and block them to because they MIGHT be to loud /rowdy and drive to many cars? There is a lot stereotyping going on here. These are children under age 4. People shouldn’t be so quick to pass judgement based on stories. If the entire block is so concerned you should all pool your money and buy the house and sell it to someone who the block seems fit.
Wow I cannot believe all of you people getting so mad over this first off I’d like to say I live on this block and for anyone who has had traffic or been stuck behind a car it has nothing to do with the daycare it a 100 percent has to do with the school located on the corner … and for trash?? There is never any I suppose that is what garbage pails are made for. If any of you people have concerns you should one day take a walk up 33rd street and realize you’re all over reacting. I think this will be a great place to help out people in our area.
If there’s increased traffic because of a nearby school, I suppose that’s to be expected. You probably knew about the school when you bought your house and could make the judgement that it was a worthy purchase. There was no commercial property on my block when I bought it and I’d like it to stay that way.
This really is so sad to see a few neighbors who are fearful of change and the unknown. You may have heard stories of horror day cares but you do not know this school or the people who run it. They began this school with only a few children in order to help their children socialize and be in a loving, nuturing environment. They pride themselves on not being just a “day care” but an early childhood learning center. The women that run this program are highly educated in the field, are active members of the community and wanted a place that their children can grow, learn and be active members of a school setting. The program is a quality program enriching children’s lives. The trash concern is silly. How much trash do you persume will develop. If they don’t follow the rules they have to pay sanitation fees – right? The traffic concern – it sounds like you already have buses and families that are in need of childcare that may take advantage of a school right on their block. Many of the families, live in the area and walk to school. From what I know the families are working families, educated themselves and live in the community who would not want to disrepect fellow neighbors. Why not wait and see what they bring instead of attacking before they are even in the building. The poor people that are moving in — so sad. Relax everyone
If you are all so thrilled with this day care center, how about expanding on East 33 Street?
no house for sale
Can we just control the problem before it arises? East 37th experienced the problem and it took them awhile to end it. It was also run by educated individual and had proper permits. How can this individual run a loving and nurturing environment from two different places? Why can’t she just put her money together from E33rd & E38th and open a bigger and better space so she can make children socialize and enrich their lives in larger scale. Why put the value of our houses down, take away our children playing time, and add traffic so she can earn a living?
It seems that they purposely do not want a commercial or bigger space and that they are providing smaller environments which is more appropraite for the age they are focusing on. Neighbors on the current block are saying that there are no existing problems…what more do you want! Whatever happened to the idea of “innocent until proven guilty”? You guys are truly not being fair.
Fair is being considerate to an old lady who lives next door. Fair is help the community grows and not make it a business environment. To me this sounded like a business. There are lots of spaces on Quentin business section. Help build the businesses there and not destroy a family-oriented block on East 38th Street. This day-care business will make people move, make old people sale their houses and ruin the children-friendly street.
this isn’t going to destroy your block…in fact it will bring neighbors from the immidiate area that you don’t know, to your block! won’t that be great, that you get to meet a few fellow marine parkers! you don’t care about marine park as a whole, you only care about your block. how selfish!
it is not these people’s fault that the neighbor is ill! give me a break. if you people cared about this older woman you would shield her from this (if and until it becomes an issue) rather than feeding her this bad information that is suppossedly giving her the high blood pressure!
I think that the people in this block are not taking into account the type of daycare this is, its very well operated and the owners couldn’t be nicer people. Neighbors on this block should find something else to do with themselves instead of preventing this daycare from opening. All this ciaos is making this woman sick, no need for drama, just be smart about things and leave this daycare alone! People double park EVERYWHERE, what you going to sign a petition for that too…please! This whole debacle is ridiculous and these people should be ashamed of themselves for making this a bigger deal than it really is.
Do you honestly believe that E. 38th street residents did this because we have nothing better to do? We are not ashamed of wanting a safe street for our children to play on. We’re not ashamed of wanting our homes to maintain their value. There is a reason for having commercial districts and for keeping businesses there. The residents of E. 38th St. didn’t make up the idea, just about every community has them for very good reasons.
did you look to see how many Group family Day Cares are within the 11234 area. Over 96. I bet you can’t even locate many of them — because they are quiet within their homes — just like this one is.
I think the meeting went very well. It was organized and no different from any other debate. I don’t care if it was loud from BOTH sides. It’s expected.
There were many questions and answers about many aspects of the proposed E38th day care center on our block in the attached residential home, and some of the answers we heard were very controversial and vague if you ask me, regarding number of children, hours of operation, etc. This seems different than the way they describe their 33rd Street location (on their website).
I sense some animosity and hatred in some of these postings from the side of the day care center. So instead of name calling, being nasty, INGNORANT, and making false accusations about us because we care about our neighbors, why don’t you just chill out and grow up. You have way too much time on your hands and you sound like a bunch of hitters and if I were your neighbor I’d be totally ashamed of you. But some of it was really amusing and entertaining!!!!
Our block has been cited as the nicest, most well kept and beautiful block in Marine Park because we work hard to keep it that way. Drive down and see for yourselves. It’s quaint and lovely. Maybe yours is too. So let’s strive to keep it that way. LIVE AND LET LIVE. HOME. Happy children playing together, neighbors who keep a look out for each other. Our children grew up together, there’s a history and heritage and that’s something that will NEVER be taken away. There’s a strong connection here, even with the families who moved away and still stay in touch. The children remain friends and re-connect no matter where they are. Many have lived here at least 30 years or more. And we welcome new neighbors with open arms. I love it here and my neighbors I know for the 15 years I have lived here…well we are here for each other. Maybe it’s not that way by you but I would hope that whoever is reading this understands where I’m coming from. The former owner who grew up in the house is probably looking down on this whole situation with tears right now.
How many day care centers have to be shut down to prove Marine Park residents past, present and future, just want a nice home in a nice neighborhood???? And no stress of businesses pushing their way in?
I think it is awesome to have such great neighbors to fight for their community as they ALWAYS HAVE and challenge the repercussions we will face if we allow a commercial business to occupy the house next door. Everything in the petition is true else we would not have so much support. Fact for Fact….it’s all true despite what you say. Our property value doesn’t need any more strain. The Daily News had a recent article and it answers concerns regarding the rising influx of day care centers occupying homes next door. If you want the link, just reply.
Don’t get me wrong. As an educator myself, I’m all for educating and there are many resources. But a residential home is for families. I’m very sorry for those of you who talk so angrily about us when it’s you who should open your eyes. I wish you luck years down the road selling your house. You all seem very frustrated and I’m scared you have no foresight. Wake up. Just because the location of the debate was on East 38th Street, we hope the entire neighborhood is in agreement and will understand how important it is to defend their property. We made our point We care about Marine Park and are happy others came and I would hope walked away with an even stronger commitment to our neighborhood and lifestyle.
We all know people live here and/or want to move to Marine Park in general because it is a nice residential neighborhood, with nearby commercial shopping and other small businesses a stone throw away. And for you CONCERNEDPARENT in reference to “Mayberry” you’re absolutely DEAD ON. Marine Park is a very strong alliance, dedicated to keeping Marine Park the best place to “LIVE” and a safe place to raise a family and educate our children. The operators of the school are described as “Active members of the community” … I am too and I have never seen them at any neighborhood events!!! I doubt they know a thing about why Marine Park is so special. Ask me and I’ll tell you how the buck stopped here on East 38th Street when the city started slapping violation orders to fix your sidewalks years back. How many of you were spared??? yah. So again, don’t aimlessly state someone as an “active member of the community”…because I don’t buy it….and don’t state jack crap until you know the facts about how this community sustains. THERE AREN’T MANY NEIGHBORHOODS LEFT LIKE THIS!!!!
I’m sorry but spend some quality time doing some research, really getting involved; and, also get a grip on yourselves…because it’s obvious the newbies and hitters are totally oblivious. This immature bashing of caring honest residents is counterproductive.
Don’t let anything change our ‘MAYBERRY’…be strong…band together neighbors…keep Marine Park RESIDENTIAL….If you’ve lived here a long time and believe in tradition, you will always support NOT LETTING ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS plop their arse on your block. This is MARINE PARK RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD…and keep it that way.
I know the typo should be ‘IGNORANT’
I would never want to live on E38th Street. You people are trying to scare them out of doing what they have the right to do. We live in a democracy! Whoever this day care is, I wish them the best of luck. Don’t let these so called residents take your rights away! It sounds like you are providing much needed and quality services to Marine Park families and that you are very considerate of your current neighbors.
So the rights of one business person and a few customers supercede the rights of a community? That is not democracy in action!
That is government mismanagement of day care regulations! Where are the legislators to speak out???
these people both the operator and customers are your community!
It is the community that is dictating the needs of of the business. If they were not getting more children from the community, they would not need to expand. The community of working families need a safe and secure home like program and not a overpopulated, babysitting service. Your neighborhood is changing due to the recession and many families can not stay home – they need to work. The children will not be taking away play space from your children but be in their own space. They stay on premise. What are you all really afraid of. They are regulated by DOH. From what I understand they have no violations and are very reputable. Again what is the big deal. I second the motion of democracy – the people on E38th street sound like they don’t want any children on their block — maybe they need to move to a children free neighorhood.
So are the gas station owner and the people who buy his gas. I STILL don’t want their business on my block either. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it fair or neighborly.
Relax, maybe you need to take a drive down East 38 St. It’s NOT that we don’t want kids on our block, we’ve got dozens of our own. We want them to be able to play safely on their own block. We want them to get to school on time. No one is saying that there shouldn’t be day care centers if there’s a need for them. We’re saying that they should located in a place that doesn’t interfere with someone else’s enjoyment of their own property.
I just did and you know what I witnessed — a mob of people who were ignorant abou ttheir facts and several high speeding cars with many children around– why don’t you all work together to maybe get a speed bump to lessen the real issue. Please don’t blame families that have not even started.
Property values will NOT decrease as a result of a Group Family Day Care. Many working families feel it’s a wonderful potential — go online and check that out. But I feel after watching the “show” of people there tonite that 38th street – wants only grandmas and grandpas — maybe you should work together and post a sign == NO FAMILIES too noisy.
“Mob of ignorant people”…
Did all the people speak… no. Some maybe came to hear what the business owners had to say.
Also, we did try to get a speed bump. Do you homework before calling people ignorant when you do not have all the facts yourself.
When the petition was brought around, I was told that the elderly woman was confined to bed over all this! Why was she at the meeting? As a resident of E38th Street, I think it is unfair to not present all the facts correctly and then ask us to sign a petition.
You are right, you should have been given all the facts. But maybe she was confined to her bed when the petition was going around.
You signed the petition and it did not say anything about the 80 year old in it. I guess you did not read it before you signed it. Or you think you signed it under faulse pretenses
Come on now.
unfortuately, you got sterotyped, just as the owners and families they serve did as speeding drivers, having rowdy children and leaving behind mounds of trash…doesn’t feel good, does it?
ummm.. you make no sence at all. You are trying to tell me that I, like these girls, am being sterotyped. Ok, I got you on that. But to go so far as to say, “…dosen’t feel good”. All you have proven by ending with that is that you are being nasty for no reason, which goes against your comment.
You know people amaze me. They log on… write their comments… get very nasty. But I am sure you are a person I probably pass in the neighborhood, and you probably smile, say hi. And you are probably a person who was at he meeting, probably felt bad for these girls and stood there and watched.
By the way… It feels fine. I would not let someones comment upset me. That would be really silly and immmature. Kind of like the way you ended your commenting!
Feel sorry for them, no way. As a woman, I felt empowered by what they had the courage to do!
And if my comment, felt fine to you, you would not have felt the need to address it. I think the nastiness comes from the East 38th Street residents and noone else.
I would like to take this time to address Marine Park Residents amd asked that you do NOT sign a petition of this nature. Reading the above comments is sad. The Quality of Life comments that it would “negatively” impact everyones life is soooo out of line. We are talking about children Young childrren under adult supervision. When I walk down a block and see children playing and laughing ,it tells me this is a good area to move. So I don’t see a property issue. Comments like “Nosiy / Rowdy children” – who could respect a comment like that and the person or group that makes it. Trash – I think I read enought today to last me a lifetime.
How many children will be enrolled in the daycare? 4, 8, 16?
Leave them alone and get over it, you should be lucky they bought the house and not a bunch of dirtbags.
Whoever wrote this petition gives a perfect example of yelling FIRE in a crowded theater……
TRIPLE PARKING … SPEEDING CARS WHIZZING BY …. ROWDY CHILDREN … MOUNDS OF TRASH.
Give me a break. Overkill at the very least. The only thing you forgot was the bag pipes that will signal the start and end of the day. These are neighborhood women, helping neighborhood women, in the community they love every bit as much as you do. You really should have done your homework before you went off the deep end.
This is a person of low mentality with plenty of free time who can’t back up a thing.
Oh also…I wholeheartedly support education but dear you just don’t get it. Ashamed of your tone and wondering your state of mind as I read these words.
I seem to have hit a nerve with MAYBERRY, who claims to be an educator. My short and only comment WAS backed up by checking into the East 33 Street Family Day Care. Guess what? I
found no “mounds of trash” and no “rowdy children” As for the “triple parking” and “speeding cars
whizzing by” – I didn’t see that either and don’t understand how one would allow for the other. IF you
are an educator – maybe your summer would be better spent learning how to respond to someone who
commented on four phrases in the petition – without name-calling, something you seem to think you have the right to do by calling me “a person of low mentality” We all don’t have to feel the same way you do “DEAR”
I don’t mind being called “DEAR”. And I have more important fish to fry so there’s nothing you can do or say about this whole situation to affect me personally, much to your chagrin. If you want to strike a nerve with me you have to try way harder than that. I know many things I have written make sense without name-calling and I’m sorry that bothers you. No one has ever doubted the qualifications of the center. However, because it is really not welcomed on E38, our block has endured many personal attacks in retaliation such as being called liars and an angry mob who use scare tactics, not to mention comments suggesting once bought to sell the house to trash. I’m sorry if I used the wrong phrase about low mentality which I mistook for animosity. We are all just voicing our opinions, but I truly believe we live in a community whose residents would rather have a family of neighbors instead of a business operation going on next door.
It is a wonderful school! The owner is educated, warm, responsible and considerate! I am sending my son to her school. I have been to the 33rd street location and I have NEVER seen a double parked car, a blocked driveway, trash or rowdy kids. You can’t even hear one sound coming from the house! Do not sign the petition. Think of the children and the wonderful care they are etting.
I am a parent of two children currently enrolled at Room-To-Grow at 33rd Street. The teachers and staff are professional, courteous, respectful and understanding. The above not only describes their attitude towards the children and parents, but also towards their neighbors. I was once in a rush to get to work, and wanted to double-park my mini-van in front of the school in order to save precious time, but before I did, I remembered how the director adamantly conveyed to the parents in the beginning of the year, not to double-park, but to find a legitimate space so as not to block traffic. Without hesitation, I complied.
Moreover, I echo the others who responded by saying that if you prevent young families from moving into the neighborhood because there is no real choice for child care, you stunt the growth of that neighborhood and you will surely see your property values go down. The concept of a commercial business on a residential block refers to businesses like bodegas and barber shops where heavy pedestrian traffic exists and undesireables hang out, not for an educational establishment with a specific number of students and parents. What’s next? Protest the neighbor that teaches piano lessons to young talented students or protest the girl scouts every time they knock on your door to sell cookies? Let’s get real. They say it takes a village to raise a child. However, in our fast-paced times with two working parents and the rest of the community looking out for themselves, let’s do the next best thing and allow this professional establishment to do their thing. Those opposed should visit the school on 33rd Street and learn the truth. This school is not a fly-by-night operation that we hear about too many times on the news. It has helped my children grow in every aspect.
Additionally, those opposed talk about an 80 year old with high blood pressure. How cliche? You exploited an old woman to make your point. You’re no different than the pandering politicians you seek help from. If this woman is as frail as you describe and the smallest problem elevates her blood pressure, then maybe with all due respect, a loved one should consider alternate living arrangements (i.e. Assisted Living). In case you forgot, this is New York City, not Mayberry.
My wife and I are two highly educated, professionals, do you think we would leave our children in a facility that spews garbage and contains rowdy kids? You talk about the welfare of the neighborhood kids getting mowed down by high spped traffic, but you previously write that cars will triple park. You can’t have it both ways, either traffic will flow fast or slow? This last point illustrates the lack of understanding and logic in your argument.
Please reconsider and do your homework before you protest an issue. Thank you.
I am trying to do my homework “before I protest”. How many kids will be enrolled at the day care?
I don’t know for sure how many kids will be enrolled. What I can tell you is my son attended the day care for 3 years. He just graduated with a class of 8-10 four year olds. How ironic that the play they performed at the graduation was “The Ugly Caterpillar”. In case any of you aren’t familiar with the story, it is about learning not to judge people by what you see on the outside but rather getting to know them. The woman there are wonderful caretakers. This is not some rowdy school. THis is a loving, caring environment for YOUNG pre-school children. I dropped my son off twice a week around 8:15 a.m. and picked him up around 11:00 a.m. I believe most of the children only stay for a few hours a day. It really is a shame how these lovely ladies are being attacked. I have two questions for anyone who is against this school: 1. Considering the school has been around for 3 years, did you even know it existed on E.33rd St. before you learned they were moving on your block? The only sign they have is a small one staked into the lawn–very similar to the “Support Marty Golden” signs you see around our neighborhood. Marine Park is a tight knit community and I’m absolutely certain you would have heard all about it if there was ever a problem with the school 2. Did any of you actually see the school or observe the comings and goings of the families or speak to neighbors on E. 33rd St? I really think you’d be pleasantly surprised!!
Very well said. It’s been around for a while and we didn’t hear complaints. Now all of a sudden when they want to move to a bigger location, everyone is complaining.
How could your son attended this day care for 3 years and graduate? According to NY State Office of Children & Family Services they got their license in December 2006.
For the past two years there have not been more than 10-12 children enrolled in this program at any one given time. Thank you for your respectful questions prior to signing the petition. Please continue to make inquiries so that you can be as informed as possible. I am certain that you will see that this is a wonderful day care and the children are neighborhood children who are well behaved as well as respectful and courteous.
Is this the link for the daycare being discussed?
http://www.roomtogrow.org/RTG_AboutUs01.htm
Mission: ‘The mission of Room to Grow is to enrich the lives of babies born into poverty throughout their critical first three years of development’
Just wondering…..
THAT IS NOT THE SCHOOL– do your homework and look at the address — http://www.rm2grow.org. is the correct address. 38th street you are a disgrace and disappointment. It is sad how you can complain about two young girls trying to enrich young children’s lives and do more for our community. The display tonight was shameful — you are all selfish individuals.
Well, the people who have their kids in there seem to think it is a school.
My mistake.. please ignore the above comment, sorry…
rayoflight, please calm down. since you seem to care so much about this situation, it would have been nice of you to be pro-active and give a link to the day care’s site ahead of time, rather than jump down this poster’s throat.
people are entitled to their opinions. i personally would not want to live next to or near a day care, a dentist’s office, law office, etc. residential streets are residential streets. i don’t think a business of any kind should be operating there, no matter how quiet, clean or considerate they claim they will be.
however, if there are legitimate zoning laws that allow for this day care to operate out of this home as well as the home on 33rd street, so be it.
What are you wondering about ?
If this is a residential street, wouldn’t the business need to get a zoning variance? Also, in order to obtain a variance, wouldn’t the residents have to sign off on it? This is obviously a business. It is not a residence, where the owner has a certificate and is providing daycare in their home, which I believe would be legal. I could be wrong. I have nothing against daycare but I would not want one to move in next door to me. I live in GB. There are quite a few empty storefronts here. Put it this way, would you want someone to open a “social club” next door to you? There are reasons we have zoning laws.
No…Once agin people are miss informed. It is not a business. It is a group family day care. The people living in the home would be providing the services. besides there would be no kids present from 5 pm on and no kids on the weekends. It is perfectly leagal.
In this instance, the people living in the home would not be providing the day care. This is a bona fide business. Also, there are extended day and weekend options available to the owner.
The people living in the home do not have to operate the day care. This is a regulated operation that is made for residential homes. It is not for commercial property.
Let’s be clear — Group Family DayCares is licensed program where someone who wanted to babysit more than 5 children needed to be regulated by the DOH– Anyone that babysits more than 5 children legally should be licesned through Group Family Day Care — you can have from 8 to 12 children. Ntot to say they even have that many. The family that bought the house have 6 grandchildren they watch regularly. Waht is the difference — this program is legally within their right to have a small, quality program. As long as they make the proper renovations to ensure that is safe and that families are respectable — which all of them are tuition paying families that work affluent professions – I don’t see the problem. Please come to E33st – try to find where they are now. The block is quiet and homelike. That is what they plan on contining on E38th St. Give them a chance.
Yeah, and they told you at the meeting that if this were to happen that they do not operate evenings and weekends!
I hope the owners change their mind because after reading all this, what family in their right mind would want to take their child to East38th Street.
According to some of the East 38th St. residents, they should put an ad out that reads:
People with children, don’t bother trying to live here
People that have a car, don’t bother trying to live here
People that have trash, don’t bother trying to live here
People with grandchildren who sing, “Itsy, Bitsy Spider”, don’t bother trying to live here
Single Mothers, don’t bother trying to live here
BEACUSE WE’LL HAVE A MEETING AND SCARE YOU AWAY!
When I checked out the website, it (the existing daycare) did not appear to be a residence. It appeared to be a house converted into a daycare center. The point is, if I purchase a home in a residential area, that is what I expect. I also do think that this business would bring down the property value. On the other hand, if I purchased a home next door to a daycare, it would be because I chose to live next door to a daycare. How many times have people fought to keep assisted living residences, halfway houses etc out of their neighborhoods? How is this any different?
you must be looking at the wrong website. a family lives in the house.
The owner and her family live there and a wonderful family had planned on living on E38th but not after the display of their soon to be neighbors — they should probaby rent it or sell it to anyone that will take the house — and god knows whto that may be — they don’t have a vested interest in that block now.
It is a residence in which people would live and it would have a certified license.
Would the block welcome a home for senior citizens home?
no they may be rowdy listening to big band music all night, double and triple parking their walkers and wheelchairs and think of all the garbage the depends would bring. I shudder just thinking about it
Residents of 38th st — you are being ridiculous. From the very beginning you are making no sense. Your petition states “Parents will double and triple-park their cars during morning drop-offs and afternoon pick-ups, parking will become even more limited, and traffic will increase. Do we want our children playing on the sidewalk with speeding cars whizzing by? NO!!! ” How can can cars go whizzing by if they are double and triple parked – you can’t have it both ways.
Wouldn’t it be more rational and mature (I’m assuming that you are adults) to take your concerns to the owners and discuss them? That means actually asking well thought out questions and listening to the answers.
The owners did go there last night. I give them a lot of credit because I would have said, “To Hell With All Of You!”. They were professional and very appropriate. They were presented by a mob of people, but few could talk due to the 5 or 6 who took over the conversation and were screaming and yelling and did not want to talk but only wanted to say, “Don’t you hear us, we don’t want you here!” One resident even asked the owners if people who used the current day care were single mothers. How wrong is that? East 38th Street doesn’t want children; respectable, fellow Marine Parkers; and now single mothers!
Not all people there were East 38th street residents. A few of us who have knowledge of the current program came and were appauled by the behavior of some at that meeting. This was a complete sabatoge!
All I can say is this, if you have a child under 5 and live in this neighborhood, there is no better place for your child than Room to Grow! These women go above and beyond each and every day.
Wow – I am so shocked that people in the neighborhood I have lived in and loved my whole life would be so ridiculous and uncaring. The people who send their children to this school are hard working people who need childcare and we appreciate childcare in our neighborhood where our children are safe and protected. If we don’t have quality daycare in the neighborhood, then the good people who live in Marine Park will have to move to other neighborhoods and then my wonderful neighborhood suffers. Why does it even matter if single mothers send thier children there? Are you kidding? I am thrilled to be able to send my son to Room To Grow this Fall. I have been a stay at home mom for 5 years and now I must return to work. I feel lucky that my son will be in such a warm environment where he will learn and grow! Please let the owners accomplish what they need to do … educate and care for our young children!!
I cannot believe the behavior of the people on 38th Street. This is a small group of children, not a big public school! If you didn’t know where the current location on 33rd Street was, I bet you wouldn’t find it right away. There aren’t double parked cars and loads of trash and loud and rowdy kids to pinpoint where it is, like everyone is assuming will happen on 38th Street. I never hear a peep when I go to take my son and pick him up. A lot of my neighbors have large families. We even had a woman that used to babysit a bunch of kids. Maybe my block should make up a petition to maintain small families to keep the noise down! I mean where does it end? Maybe 38th Street should become a child free block just to be on the safe side.
I have been researching about property values and Group Family DayCares — alot of petitions but no real evidennce expect for this: Interesting don’t you think
Standard A Compliance With Ordinance And District Purposes: The proposed use and development will
be in harmony with the general and specific purposes for which this title was enacted and for which the
regulations of the district were established.
Finding: Section 21A.36.130.B allows the establishment of registered home daycares in all residential
districts with standards that ensure that the use is compatible with the residential district in which it is
located.
Standard B No Substantial Impairment of Property Value: The proposed use and development will not
substantially diminish or impair the value of the property within the neighborhood in which it is located.
Finding: Section 21A.36.130.B2 lists the standards to be maintained by the registered home day care
provider to guarantee that property values will not diminish or be impaired. The principal use on the
property will remain as a single-family detached dwelling.
It is attached, not detached.
It is interesting — that if you count the pros and cons — the pros have 20 over the cons 6 — I would say your petition has no value.
I am one of the owners of Room To Grow and have been looking at this blog for the past few days and I would really like to suggest this stops. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion and all have been heard. We have a diverse community with different beliefs and values and we should be proud of that.
Room to Grow is doing well and although this is publicity for us, it is unwanted. I appreciate all the support we have gotten from our families and community members and I hope that continues. I cannot thank you all enough.
My hope is that we all move on and use our time in more effective ways. Residents of East 38th St. have access to me and can easily contact me if they want to discuss something. I will not be looking at this blog anymore, so if you respond to my comment, please do not expect a response back from me.
Please go out and enjoy your weekends.
What is wrong with you people on East 38 Street!!!! Isn’t it better to have families with young children living in our neighborhood to attend our schools, shop in our stores & use our beautiful park! The two women are providing a much needed service in our neighborhood. I checked the website and it looks like a great place, if I had little ones I would send them to that day care. I would not want to live on East 38 street it doesn’t sound like a friendly block.
resdient of Marine Park
I agree, sounds like a place I’d like to send my kid, not a place I want as a neighbor. For a neighbor, I’d like to have a family with children that will grow up and make memories with mine, not transient kids that will disappear and go off to school only to be replaced by others that also won’t play with mine.
I hope these owners buy the house and out of spite sell to some rowdy animal trashy family….serves the block right.
Oh and we’re the uncivilized lot, eh?
Great daycare. Glad to have them in the area!
Good! Are they next door to you?